Granite State Bass Hunters
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: TAGMAN on June 21, 2012, 10:16:51 AM
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Ok I know alot of people won't like this but fish and game is contacting all
directors to let them know of this.
As of now when you set up a tourney on Squam lake it has to be for either big squam
or little squam,it can not be for both.
So that being said,the way our permits read our tourneys this year can only be fished on big squam even though we are doing the weigh-in on little squam.You can fish the channel. that also means all fish have to be released in big squam.
So little squam and the river are out of bounds.
This is something that just came about this week.
Wish I had better news but there it is
Tracy Gerbert
Team and Monday open draw director
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Tracy, did they give an explanation? I know in other tourneys, we've had to release fish out to the main lake too.
thanks
Andy
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Just had a conversation with F&G this AM,
They are treating these water as two separate individual body of water( separate lakes) and the rule has always been that you can not take fish from one BOW to another BOW and release them.
We also got noticed that our Ossipee tournament this weekend will be affected by the same rule, so Danforth Pond will be off-limits from now on for all tournament with Ossipee permits ( I'm sure Marc will love this news) also Wentworth and Crescent lake
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Just to elaborate on that from this morning's conversation with F&G, If caught 5 fish in Little Squam and goes to Big
Squam and need to cull, you will need to go back to Little Squam to release the culled fish before you can continue to fish with 6 fish in the livewell, also they are concerned about the whole ecosystem and the spawning area been changed by torunaments from Large females been taken out of their environments, thats what I was told
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Thats what I was told also. We can still fish in the channel though.
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Tracy, does this mean that anyone that has an upcoming tournament on squam would need to redo the water permit (event permit)??? I would think marine patrol would want to know where the weigh-in site is going to be held.
Seeing as how it's such short notice maybe they will give some leeway. Add this one to the increasingly growing list of things that the state is trying to do to limit fishing tournaments. I'm sure the folks on little squam are doing back flips over this. They know nobody is going to have the tournament on little squam.
Marc must be really upset now. His secret 13' limit spot is now going to be off limits!!!! It was a good spot for a keeper. Too bad marc!! >:(
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I'm sure Marc will be crying when he sees this on both Ossipee and Squam
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Youhave to have the tourney on either big squam or little squam, they will not allow us to have it on both lakes anymore. I guees the only thing we can do is try to find a way to change it at
a meeting or something.For now it is what it is.
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Interesting quote from KVD about next Elite event, sound familiar!
Sadly – and not just for our sake but also for tourism and the people who live in that area – local biologists decided to reduce our fishing waters which will prevent us from showcasing that region as one of the country’s best smallmouth fisheries.
After the site was announced, biologists tightened the amount of water we can fish, leaving us to fish less productive waters. That caught B.A.S.S. officials off guard and will no doubt prevent us from helping to give that fishery the reputation it deserves. It also cost that area thousands of dollars in lost tourism revenue since we won’t be able to show the fishery’s capabilities like we have at Falcon, Amistad, Kentucky and Pickwick lakes.
There will be fish caught in that event, but we will be confined to an area where the habitat is not as good as what lies outside the DNR’s boundaries.
State officials say they are concerned that the smallmouth we might catch in the lower bay are different than the ones we could catch in the upper bay and don’t want them moved around. We all know that’s a non-issue because smallmouth bass are notorious for traveling great distances. Any fisherman knows that.
They said they also are concerned we would kill fish carrying them a longer distance in our livewells. They obviously haven’t done their homework or they’d realize that B.A.S.S. has the lowest mortality record of any other tournament organization and that our guys’ boats are equipped with the best livewell systems to take care of the fish.
We KNOW how catch and release benefits a fishery; and while we never want to kill a bass, we legally could take our five fish a day and fillet them.
Of course, we wouldn’t do that.
The last-minute decision to limit us makes me think that biologists don’t know what our events are truly about, or they simply have a grudge with bass fishing tournaments.
It’s especially disheartening for me. As a Northerner, I know how great the fishing is in this part of the country and how badly Northern anglers want to see more B.A.S.S. events on their waters. The short seasons in the North make it tough enough, yet nonsensical decisions like we have encountered in Green Bay make it even tougher.
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Interesting quote from KVD about next Elite event, sound familiar!
Sadly – and not just for our sake but also for tourism and the people who live in that area – local biologists decided to reduce our fishing waters which will prevent us from showcasing that region as one of the country’s best smallmouth fisheries.
After the site was announced, biologists tightened the amount of water we can fish, leaving us to fish less productive waters. That caught B.A.S.S. officials off guard and will no doubt prevent us from helping to give that fishery the reputation it deserves. It also cost that area thousands of dollars in lost tourism revenue since we won’t be able to show the fishery’s capabilities like we have at Falcon, Amistad, Kentucky and Pickwick lakes.
There will be fish caught in that event, but we will be confined to an area where the habitat is not as good as what lies outside the DNR’s boundaries.
State officials say they are concerned that the smallmouth we might catch in the lower bay are different than the ones we could catch in the upper bay and don’t want them moved around. We all know that’s a non-issue because smallmouth bass are notorious for traveling great distances. Any fisherman knows that.
They said they also are concerned we would kill fish carrying them a longer distance in our livewells. They obviously haven’t done their homework or they’d realize that B.A.S.S. has the lowest mortality record of any other tournament organization and that our guys’ boats are equipped with the best livewell systems to take care of the fish.
We KNOW how catch and release benefits a fishery; and while we never want to kill a bass, we legally could take our five fish a day and fillet them.
Of course, we wouldn’t do that.
The last-minute decision to limit us makes me think that biologists don’t know what our events are truly about, or they simply have a grudge with bass fishing tournaments.
It’s especially disheartening for me. As a Northerner, I know how great the fishing is in this part of the country and how badly Northern anglers want to see more B.A.S.S. events on their waters. The short seasons in the North make it tough enough, yet nonsensical decisions like we have encountered in Green Bay make it even tougher.
I read his blog article last week and thought it was very well written and your right Dave sounds very familiar to what we deal with here it's a shame the mindset these people have up here in the northern part of the country.
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Well this is a major bummer for me.....but another part of this that I feel is absolutely rediculous is that we can still have the weigh in on the "other" body of water. I understand the logistics and ease of keeping things the way they've been, but I honestly find it completely hypocritical, and am actually surprised at the decision makers. Mind you I think the key rule is bogus but can see the other side (they have a job to do)...... simply put - to me both should go hand in hand. I worded my feelings as nicely as I could without saying what I truly feel or I'd be sounding like a neanderthal. :-X
now I have to find another spot for my 13" largies ;)
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so Ossipee is already going to fall under the same rules?
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Yes, for Ossipee torunament permits, the river channel and Danforth Pond is off-limit
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wow they are really taking our bigger lakes away from us. I can deal with out little squam but to take danforth and berry bay away if you ask me theres no reason to fish ossipee at all now.
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Broad, Levitt and Berry Bays are still all in play, just Danforth is out from the channel at Ossipee Marina North
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I this going to effect Paugus Bay too??
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I this going to effect Paugus Bay too??
I don't believe so the way I understand it is only bodies of water that are viewed as separate lakes are included. A bay is still part of the lake it's located within. The state views Squam and Little Squam as two seperate bodies of water connected by a "river" or "channel" Ossipee and Danforth Ponds the same.
Please correct me if i'm wrong...
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Plenty of good fishing left on ossippee. Iv'e never gone into danforth durring a tourney and have cashed more than one check there,
including lunkers.
Don't know if we could get these rules changed. guess we will just have to write our representitives.
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When I spoke to NHF&G last week, the three BOW involved are Squam/Little Squam, Ossipee/Danforth, Wentworth/Crescent.
Milton three ponds for now they are treating it as the Milton Water shed, OK for now, and they are going to taking another look at Winni (Paugus Bay, Back Bay, maybe Lee's), but its OK for now also
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Thanks for all the info guys. I hope to make it to one of you opens this year